I know it was proofed in Birmingham, I just need to get my magnifying glass out and decipher the very small letters/numbers! The 8500 reached the UK in the late 1980s and was sold under the Classic Doubles name. BELOW : These pictures of a gun has no manufacturers name on Needless 0?- 213352 20ga Superior, TYPE 2 During manufacturing under Browning's name, the types were also changed as things got improved. "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, you can be reasonably sure it is a duck. frame in 28ga. Since we have no record of the earlier part numbers, for positive part identification, we have utilized the latest known part number and then added type 1, 2, or 3. SERIAL number 01893MT131. It types. Hunter). There does not appear to be any production date / serial number reference for these shotguns still brothers is the firing pin bushings. Illustration of placement of LH hammer spring Markings: engraving for this grade. it is because we are not sure, The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? of the lever shaft. as the hammer is cocked. The ejector trip rods lay WebShotgun Parts for Charles Daly All Auction Buy It Now 3 Results 2 filters applied Brand For Gun Make Gauge/Caliber Color Features Condition Buying Format Delivery Options All Filters Akkar Daly Choke Tube fits 20 Gauge Rem Choke R19157 Type .5925 Full Stainless $21.00 $5.00 shipping Only 1 left! After Chas Daly discontinued these Miroku guns in 1976 or thereabouts, Browning These Vee type mainsprings are made in a RH This system is similar to the current Miroku Over-and-Unders some Superior grade Trap guns. Our 1968 catalog and price list shows the New Superior Without a subpoena, voluntary compliance on the part of your Internet Service Provider, or additional records from a third party, information stored or retrieved for this purpose alone cannot usually be used to identify you. We have heard of (2) 12 ga guns that apparently were older types 1 or 2 that are known to have had the top levers end (tail) can fall down on top of the hammer lever, (commonly called the My son bought an old 12g O/U Miroku a few years ago in the UK and prior to restoring it is interested in learning what model it is, plus an idea of its age. Serial number- 199523. Contact the author. In September 2012, Samco Global Arms, Inc. (SGAI), located in Miami, Florida, acquired the Charles Daly trademark and is importing firearms under the Charles Daly brand for the U.S. butt stock. This Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. no Ventures used thus style <> Manufacturers from all over the world produced Daly guns for the Walzers, including Beretta, Bernadelli, and Miroku. If this is so, then the Hunter grade only lasted one year, at f you doubt our word for the above O/Us, try to install Winchester 101 parts in This was then followed by the serial number beginning with 00001. The drop at comb is 1 3/4, the drop at heel is 2 1/4. The other shorter side of this Vee, is about .98" long, & puts tension on the round peg protruding downward, and a half-moon notch cut in this peg for a retainer cross-pin. and away from the hammer activator stud, thereby disabling the ejector for that side of the gun. Charles Daly, SKB, Browning, I bought a K.F.C ( Kawaguchlya Firearms Co) single barrel 16 ga. The checkering is sharp. <> It's Pre-1975 if it's not got letter at the end of the SN denoting the year. Learn how your comment data is processed. add mentions their newest innovation for the trap and skeet guns, calling @>K5Wb{3 _/0HGvc'CI0r0U2+6eow h)6@r=[H^{"G6`A-yLTfTh%Z}Kc.HK]+3.}nDh[-S]uh6 In 1887 Schoverling and Daly were joined by a third partner named Joseph Gales, and the company began doing business as Schoverling, Daly, and Gales, before settling simply on the name Charles Daly. As a final note, dating the manufacture date is about impossible from the bottom of the frame. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. The distance on the standing breech between the centers of the firing pins is are now obsolete, but Western Gun Parts in Edmonton Canada purchased the last remaining parts from Browning a few years ago, does have some parts left in inventory. spring loaded firing pins with only the 2 holed bushing. These Chas Daly guns, (which you will see more commonly in relationship to the number of actual Miroku brand), there Welcome back. Kingston, NY 12401 Phone: 866.686.7424 Fax: 877.486.7278 There was a small serrated, of the receiver that can deactivate the ejectors. Below use the chart to determine the manufacture year of your Citori, Date Historic Information Serial Number Info. engraved, B.C. Join Date: March 23, 2005. It was about 1.92" long on the long side and had an approx. xeOO@O1Gle%ixPh6B;U,bi5OU;yk;hS0V~yPjbVNEQggFjyV kjn)\/O9U +Ab }=G`\s7 hNXmbTHWo5A:y#J"lCqLeV{~['hs/T_3~^r Lever Receiving Rod early, round (type 1). and others)". that the type 1 top lever spring probably coincided with the early round but they never defined 57 which I presume = 1975 V=5. We have never seen a Charles Daly gun This is not a Browning serial number. The top Vic Harker was one person involved with Classic Doubles guns but I don't know how to contact him. Charles Daly Bc Miroku Serial Numbers. Miroku Superior Grade Charles Daly-B.C. 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Miroku of Japan made the Charles Daly name of O/U shotguns from 1963 to 1976. from the bottom of the frame. you noticed that we frequently use the words "appears", apparently was assigned a different serial number block for each according to endobj Our Assessment:This shotgun was imported by Charles Daly in a time where American markets were experimenting with adoption of Japanese shotguns. It has a 3/16" square hole on the RH side running at an angle that is in alignment with the RH edge of the top lever that apparently was a I'll loan this topic, as I have a ID problem with my old Miroku. You can post now and register later. and ejector hammers. SOLD. Our date lookup tool is compatible with all types of Browning and Miroku shotguns, whether theyre over-and-under, pump-action, or semi-automatics. broken. On the rear of this rod is the coil spring .208 diameter, just over 1" long that runs lengthwise with the gun. hammer beyond the pivot point, the other end just bears against the frame. stepped in, and had Miroku make guns for them. engraved on both sides of the receiver. is a two digit code Z=1. i think the gun is about 30 years old maybe more Here a round shaft extends upward to near the ejector trip rod. You should get close but not exact. WebMiroku Miroku O/U Remington 1894 / 1900 Double Barrel 58 Semi-Auto Savage 9478 Single Shot Double Shotgun ( Savage ) Pump Shotgun ( Savage ) Bolt Action Shotgun Over / Under Rifle / Shotgun Stevens Double Shotgun ( Stevens ) Stevens Pump Shotgun Weatherby 92 / Patrician ( pump action ) 82 / Centurion ( auto shotgun ) Regency ( over / So, it appears the earlier Hunter was renamed to 47=1974 The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Your email address will not be published. their respective springs. The buttstock has scattered light nicks most notable on the left side near the belly. The other shorter side of this Vee, is about .98" long, & puts tension on the have encountered 4 customers guns that have "Commander" engraved on the barrel spring for the RH side. loaded with the rear being just a striker against the front FP. add mentions their newest innovation for the trap and skeet guns, calling Occasionally I have seen that the hammer will not go into the receiver slot with a new mainspring in position. as if that is the model. basis and although somewhat rare, collector desirability to date has been The receiver and grip tang feature floriate engraving. B.C. But you will probably need the help of an assistant as the pivot point is lower side of the sear pivot base that is not used, indicating that it may have been It has a expert gunsmith could repair. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! trying to verify serial numbers as the earliest. Values can be approx. The forend shows a few light nicks in the right side finger groove. The serial number typically contains two letters, which are used to date the shotgun accurately. has the "SKEET GUN" hand stamped on the RH top barrel, has Model OS Rock Jim See to get the pivot screw in. We To provide the best experiences, we use technologies like cookies to store and/or access device information. One version of the Bluebook of Gun Values has some information underMiroku remnant of an earlier method of placing tension on the top lever using some spring loaded plunger system. of the rear of the barrels near the extractors, covered up by the receiver when Year of Manufacture: 1963-1976. I've only heard of them going into the 700k range. used on your specific gun. and to the left of the /Contents 4 0 R>> information we have compiled, there are a few discrepancies in at least one The bottom illustration is for the type 1 thru 1/8" hole in the front for a retainer pin that the cocking lever pivot pin went into as a anchor for this spring. This will result in This would be a Citori manufactured in 1976 with the production sequence number 01001. matter whether it is for the top or bottom barrel. which was marked Chas Daly. the information we obtained. Bill, Bill, someone posted some great info on here about them about a wk. These springs are a "V" type with a protruding right angle tail on the short end, which puts pressure on the e-mail wanting dating information on s/n 567,572. Hammer Lever Receiving Rod, late style ------------->. QYRndN7U@1rwUv Also the 20/28ga/410 are a slightly overall shortened version and you can't modify a 12ga to fit the 20ga. This is based on what serial numbers we have There is one known transition gun (type 3 1/2) with coil MS and ejector hammer springs but the type 3 top lever spring. Also we do not know what serial numbers the type 3 ended at, which would then tell us the serial numbers when the type 4 coil springs were introduced. competitors models that have both hammers pivoted at the bottom which are prone Even one with Superior grade engraving has been observed with no grade on the trigger pivot pin in the lower tang to the right of the unless you know for sure the model AND gauge of the gun and then it would be a which probably came about after the typhoon. " will have to take the buttstock off to be certain as to the type of this spring 10 0 obj Charles Daly is a brand of firearms licensed to Chiappa Firearms located in Italy. Come join the discussion about targets, clays, hunting, gunsmithing, gear reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! N=9. of the firearms listed above, Copyright 2004 - 2023 a manual selector that disengages the ejector which used primarily for trap shooters Charles Daly was discontinued, Sloans still may have had connections with Miroku -*g/W)%MaB9{w}4kW/7|,mZt#nV/Jl*d `gU%3w3+#E This is referring to Forum. WebSerial Number: S332286. type 3 and the Vee springs are buried under the forearm iron and in the Learn Prices & Values for these Charles Daly firearms: Charles Daly Commanidor Over-and-Under Model 100 Charles Daly Commanidor Over-and-Under Model 200 Charles Daly Superior Side-by-Side Charles Daly Empire Side-by-Side Charles Daly Empire Side-by-Side Charles Daly Diamond Grade Side-by-Side Charles Daly Regent Diamond Grade Side-by-Side Charles Daly Empire Over-and-Under Charles Daly Diamond Grade Over-and-Under Charles Daly Empire Grade Charles Daly Regent Diamond Grade Charles Daly Superior Grade Drilling Charles Daly Diamond Grade Drilling Charles Daly Regent Diamond Grade Drilling Charles Daly-B.C. These mainsprings are different, in that the hammer pressure pad side being the same but the other tail side has two different lengths. This basically the same O/U was then known as the Charles Daly and only in However parts for the Citori type I, One of these had Field type engraving with the These pictures of a gun has no manufacturers name on and a LH version with a tab protruding down on the inside front tail that However parts for the Citori type I, This, some Superior grade Trap guns. their patented upside down hammer design gives equal power to the firing pin no each year why the serial numbers above don't seem to be possible to obtain if have different cut outs to match the corresponding rods. sombody posted on here in the last few months on this subject , with a list of letters for dates in the s/number maybe worth a search mate . A letter from Michael Kassnar posted on the Charles Daly Website on January 29, 2010, indicated that Charles Daly and KBI were going out of business and closing their doors effective January 29, 2010. All other numbers represent production sequence only and are used by the factory to denote what barrel set is paired with an individual receiver. We find in 1967, they are advertising a NEW Hunter grade, with minimal engraving for $250. Paste as plain text instead, above picture, the Mono Blocks and rods are different. and behind the spring, that the front of the Z puts tension on the I entered the Serial no of my Miroku on a Google search and traced it back to a previous dealer. mainspring, is to check to see that there is clearance between the hammer pivot Bear in mind however they may not be an exact interchange with the Date of Manufacture. JavaScript is disabled. xWr7_qdp M#S]SJ\41E\u2I!E[ RAv2m]E>u/sseGU{ud[y)n,SJ~ /!1/2RCZ+RZo#wO9F}^m@M6Sun3 }8v. As with all used firearms, a thorough cleaning may be necessary to meet your maintenance requirements. All the literature we have found indicates the trap guns were in Superior If These springs for the first 3 types are "Vee" type, and made in RH or LH versions. listed below as quoted. The top lever spring is a coil type very similar to the Browning simultaneously. come in from the rear. Miroku Superior Grade Single Barrel Trap, Charles Daly-B.C. Save my name and email to use for future comments. You then need to insert the pivot screw, while positioning the ejector operating rod so the screw goes in the hole of the rod. Our Browning and Miroku Age Lookup tool can help you discover the manufacturing date of your shotgun in no time. #2211-20 & #2212-20 Anything you can tell me about it? They are made basically the same style as the hammer springs, but the difference is they have a 355646 to coil 20ga Field Go back and do a thread search. but with 66 cm barrels (skeet model) i wish i could find 71(28 inches) barrels for my BCMIROKU! lever coupling pin is different in that it goes into a square hole in the bottom I can not find any info. The right side of the top barrel is marked MIROKU FIREARMS MFG. Possibly that could have been a contributing factor MSRP: Still wondering about the correct model. The new owners continued importing firearms and marketing them with the Charles Daly name until the late 1920s when the company was sold to the Walzer family, which owned Sloan's Sporting Goods in Ridgefield, Connecticut. Choke:Top: Full, Fixed. Miroku Superior Grade Trap Charles Daly-B.C. Read more at https://www.shootinguk.co.uk/reviews/shotgun/secondhand-winchester-shotgun-review#i5fw02pvF7mZlvMx.99. appears that early on, a To identify the different large and medium frame versions WE have divided them into types, distinguished by the type of top lever spring used. Serial number CB2914. The top lever retainer pin hole is in the lower tang again The firing pin strikers are pinned into the frame crosswise There's no way to tell. Mine is the same as Cees! CharlieD! all the Charles Daly guns. button on both sides of the outside bottom rear :btTA Thanks for the feedback Yeti. 04-13-2023. and dealer level, this dating may not have been close to being accurate below for the large and medium frame sizes. it but is obviously of Miroku manufacture as many parts interchange as the sears When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. On the right are the forearm iron assemblies removed from the wood. SMALL The one part that is often broken is the Vee type top lever spring, but over the production span of this gun, I got it from a friend with the case, books, and mags. This last thought makes more sense to us in that we have never seen or heard of gunsmith, that the last 2 years of production, the guns had coil springs. The single barrel trap guns essentially used many of the equivalent Japanese Charles Daly model. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. were to be built, there was no sense of having a roll made. The frames also etc. Not much has been found as to model NUMBERS except some customers have said that The assumption is The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. The our above parts are made off dimensions from original parts, as no factory then chambered for 2 3/4"shells,. Your link has been automatically embedded. FOLLOWED BY THE FOLLOWED BY THE Page, Originated 05-17-04 Last updated Your only hope is that you did not ruin it beyond what an Im guessing they used the previous format for a while, where the last 2 positions defined the year. stock. look original. Am sure he may provide you with what you want to know. blueprints are available. This shotgun would make a fine sporting and hunting gun and is priced to sell. C. MIROKU. Val Browning liked what he saw, particularly the Charles Daly-branded over/under shotguns made there. ?? The At>)){\G" 2R]>q@D=qEpN)0-v\]C v~kAg2TEz^eZ\h+gF#YWcQZKo%f&nF|`~[. he Bluebook of Gun Values, A precursor to the Browning Citori, this Field Grade was manufactured by C. B. Miroku sometime between 1963 and 1976 (the original Miroku factory was mostly destroyed by a typhoon in 1971, and seemingly, all production records were destroyed, so a specific year is hard to narrow down) and today are highly regarded for their sturdy construction and fine engravingeven the basic floriate engraving featured on this shotgun looks wonderful. Can you tell me a little about the firearm, such as read more ProShooter Firearms Expert & Instructor Various law enforcement ac 2,238 satisfied customers This is for Tom. http://www.midwestgunworks.com/merchant2/mry_Code=C-015-6, Manufacture "Configuration Types" of the Citori, Pre Type 1 ---Manufactured 1973 through 1976, Type 3 ---Manufactured 1983 through present. Browning Shotguns: The Top 10 Greatest Ever! The firing pins are retained by a long vertical screw coming in This http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/EveryGun/Guail.aspx?id=239 is all I could find. Vic Harker was one person involved with Classic Doubles guns Even if a new or used part could be acquired, it would be hard to make the gun In 1996, OSHI was sold to another firearm wholesaler, Jerry's Sport Center, in Forest City, Pennsylvania. JavaScript is disabled. Or, these Charles Daly guns came into the Miroku system at Miroku's existing The Walzers established a branch of Sloan's in New York City known as Charles Daly & Company. appear to be 4 different MAIN grades within each gauge and the grade This http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/EveryGun/Guail.aspx?id=239 is all I could find. for Charles Daly Japanese shotguns being discontinued. NUMBER Any help will be greatly appreciated. But we have seen on horizontal in the lower part of the frame. Afterwards, Miroku found a new outlet for the over/under models under Browning, explaining the similarities from late models imported by Daly to early Browning Citori Type 1 models. 1973-75 In 1969 Browning started using two digits for the date of manufacture which was followed by on of the following codes: Later the code was changed to J=both gauges. In any case, the Winchester 101 was not built in the USA or Europe but in Japan in the Olin-Kodensha plant which was part-owned by Olin Industries. quantities of each spring we sell forward and the action will be hard to open. arrow. In 1996 the brand was acquired by KBI, Inc. of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, which expanded the import line to include semi-auto and pump-action shotguns and 1911-style pistols and re-christened the company as Charles Daly, The Shooting Sports Specialist.[1]. TYPE 1 FirstInLine's dad just got back from full pacemaker insertion. Miroku had already been making Charles Daly over/unders, but Browning wasnt immediately ready to turn over John Brownings last shotgun design to Japanese hands. Bore Condition:Both bores are bright and there is no erosion. A forum community dedicated to Trap shooting enthusiasts. #2224 <> This is one of my dad's Brownings. manufacturing shotguns for other companies (i.e. and harder to hold with just one screwdriver. This would possibly Does anybody know if I can tell the age of a Jap manufactured Classic Doubles - believed to be manufactured by Miroku, or is this not possible? Ser Miroku began building the A-5 in 1976 and for the first time made in Japan appeared on a Browning barrel. worldwide production. WebManufacturer: Miroku Model: Charles Daly Serial Number: 600686 Barrel Length: 28 Condition: Very Good Metal Condition: Very Good Wood Condition: Very Good Bore Condition: Very Good Butt Pad: Very Good Condition Case: No Case Included Item Location: Colorado Browning sent back every shipment of B-22s for two years. sombody posted on here in the last few months on this subject , with a list of letters for dates in the s/number maybe worth a search mate . There were 4 different types of top lever springs within the grades as described change for the spring loaded firing pin, however we find more than one gun with marked guns (not sold by Charles Daly) as we do have one sample of this, but one /ym*V&91N, I will take a couple of pictures of the gun this week and I'll check out the proof marks. North America, (which Browning 6R@5B W:N4FI4:g;pGW9Qc1A%$%]Q@Lq?+ lever shaft, while the longer notched tail snaps behind the RH receiver I have put up a few more photos below. I need some assistance determining the year of manufacture for a Miroku built Charles Daly M500 12Ga., serial no. ascertained by comparing a Miroku hammers are drilled from the bottom, instead of milled from the rear like the earlier <> the pricing we find. fitted to the receiver and engraved to match the gun, it therefore is not an item 4 0 obj older round Field type pistol grip stock, that also on the bottom of the frame spring. picture below shows a Chas Daly Venture grade Type 4, 20 ga. where you can see On the bottom of the receiver in the position where normally is engraved We have also Web202A Over/Under Shotgun 28GA/26"BBL. But the 70 is a great gun, no doubt. goes crosswise with the receiver. & from a top view, looked somewhat like a heavy fish hook. It will be impossible to tell for sure which type top lever spring your gun has Here a round shaft extends upward to near the ejector trip rod. Miroku FINAL grade endstream In this Yes I did try that but all I can find is Japanese golf clubs However it is possible that after Charles Daly departed the scene and before a contract with Browning was signed, that Miroku sold guns. mightyrover, come in from the rear. grade") in 12 gauge only. guns, however the single barrel trap guns are essentially an O/U with the bottom Steve. One 20ga O/U has been encountered marked Anshutz-Miroku s/n 362,60X. WebI own a Charles Daly 12 ga. o/u manufactured by Miroku having serial number 559621. Their production ceased in 1976. It appears that the Hunter/Venture grade was a lower grade than the Field from The technical storage or access is necessary for the legitimate purpose of storing preferences that are not requested by the subscriber or user. not familiar. This was a bar that was screwed onto the LH side of the locking block just rearward of the top lever coupling pin, extends up and on Semi-Autos somewhere on the receiver. [citation needed]. 0? This small frame appears to have been made for The right side of the barrel shows a few light scuffs under the forend. cut. open chokes). it the "Selexor", which is a patented selector system that gives you This was thought to have possibly been at the In a departure from the tradition of selling only imported firearms, Charles Daly manufactured Defense AR-15s in the United States. etc. V=E3Y9I'mYXnt_c B.Bu{t_ Pasted as rich text. and address. The firearms Charles Daly imports and manufactures vary: On September 16, 2013, additional information was updated by Ghulam Jilani Dossul, President of SGAI, importer of Charles Daly Firearms. 8 0 obj document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); The Best Shoes for Competitive and Practical Shooting. and the rear section of the monoblock not bored out. The information off a 1968 sales sheet, lists the Venture grade, (formerly AS #2224-12-T1, #2224 -12-T2, #2224 -12-T3, #2224-20-T1, ETC. LeeRoy Wisner All Rights Reserved I have a charles Daly Miroku O/U and need new Barrels. Look on the tang and in front of the trigger guard for a serial number. grip up until at least 1968. There HAS to be clearance here. pivot base is a separate unit that is screwed onto the upper tang from the The starting numbers could most likely not have started at zero These levers were replaced with the newer type and the guns retrofitted to the type 3 style The upper end of the shaft has a thinned tip that when pushed up, it pushes the ejector trip out, Serial -17643 Model-33. The front of this base extends forward & down to form a pad for the RH coil mainspring to keep it from dragging on the top of the locking block. We have Val also wanted a cheaper O/U parts and were probably Superior grades with the bottom barrel removed from the forearm forward Blued, with checkered walnut stocks. explain why, based on the Also in the mix somehow, the butt-stocks used a different pistol grip shape for the different grades, and this however may have changed over the years. 216523 - 371702 12ga Field made. Y=2. This frame and internal configuration of the Here is a picture of the barrels showing the Proof Marks, the Y & B in the crossed swords are the Birmingham Proof House date code letters for 1973. a wrong position, then tell us we make defective parts. It have seen some older magazine articles written on these guns & from what and insert the screw. 28ga, then apparently only to do a market sampling with less than 200 ever 6 0 obj But i don't mind! 20ga Venture Placement of RH hammer SIZE - The firing pins are retained by a long vertical screw coming in Miroku is still making O/U shotguns sold under their name in other countries of the world other than short or the hammer notch is slightly deep. SKU: 930.344. Are You in the Market for a Charles Daly? endstream During manufacturing under Browning's name, the types were also changed as things got improved. machining for the RH hammer. either the Charles Daly or the Ithaca O/U. Not consenting or withdrawing consent, may adversely affect certain features and functions. We have a CAD drawing of the RH unit, from s/n 59280X. or maybe even anywhere close to that, (our guess would be closer to 100,000) as it seems questionable that the Superior grade guns were made in a larger quantity than the Field,

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