Sometimes there was high waters that spoiled the current and the steamboast could't run. He didn't want em to imagine he give one more than he give the other. Mammy say they was lots of excitement on old Masters place and all the Negroes mighty scared, but he didnt sell my pappy off. They wanted everybody to know we was Marster Vann's slaves. The slaves who worked in the big house was the first class. In writing of him the Reverend John Gamble, a Moravian missionary said: "Mrs. Gamble and I love him as our own child and have not a complaint against him. Christmas lasted a whole month. By 1800 slavery had become firmly entrenched in the Five Civilized Tribes. John Thompson. So many years had passed since slavery ended that most of the former slaves then available for interviews had been born very near the end of the slavery era. When father was young he would go hunting the fox with his master, and fishing in the streams for the big fish. Everybody laugh and was happy. I'se born across the river in the plantation of old Jim Vann in Webbers Falls. I'd like to go where we used to have picnics down below Webbers Falls. The most Vann families were found in USA in 1880. We was at dat place two years and made two little crops. The band of escaping slaves came upon two white men who were fugitive slave hunters returning eight Negroes they had recaptured to their Choctaw master. He made a deal with Dave Mounts, a white man, who was moving into the Indian country to drive for him. You know just what day you have to be back too. McLoughlin, William, Cherokee Renascence in the New Republic, Princeton University Press, (1986), ISBN 0691047413. Chief Crazy James Vann James Clement Vann) Vann, Ii, <<Private>> Vann, Ii. According to English law, this made the two daughters Royal Princesses. The location of John's death was in Henderson County in 1839.) Sometimes she pull my hair. My mother was seamstress. Master Jim and Missus Jennie was good to their slaves. Marster had a big Christmas tree, oh great big tree, put on the porch. I was afraid I would get cheated out of it cause I can't figure and read, so I tell old Master about it and he bought it off'n me. Marster Jim and Missus Jennie wouoldn't let his house slaves to with no common dress out. Dey was for bad winter only. Sometimes Joe bring other wife to visit Missus Jennie. Joseph Vann is listed in the Cherokee census of 1835 as a resident of the Cherokee nation within the chartered limits of Hamilton County, Tennessee, his family consisting of fifteen persons. In Georgia, during the early 1800s, slaves owned by the Vann Family made the bricks and milled the lumber used to build the Vann House in Spring Place. Tall and slim and handsome. I got all my money and fine clothes from the marster and the missus. My husband was a Cherokee born Negro, too, and when he got mad he forgit all the English he knowed. We stayed here till everything got fixed up, then we went back to Mexico. 4. Old Master Joe had a big steam boat he called the Lucy Walker, and he run it up and down the Arkansas and the Mississippi and the Ohio river, old Mistress say. I went to see dem lots of times and they was always glad to see me. When we git to Fort Gibson they was a lot of negroes there, and they had a camp meeting and I was baptized. Old mistress was small and mighty pretty too, and she was only half Cherokee. Everybody laugh and was happy. https://web.archive.org/web/20071026072208/http://www.cherokeebyblo https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/5977809/joseph-vann, Webbers Falls, Muskogee County, Oklahoma, United States of America. He builds the large brick mansion house at Spring Place, Murray Country, Georgia, which stands today as a monument at its owner. John Joseph Vann B: 1730 Scotland, M: Wai-Li Princess of Cherokee - 1763,D: 1780 Tennessee, shot by son James (Chief Crazy James) John Vann. Everybody a hollerin' and a cryin'. We went on a place in de Red River Bottoms close to Shawneetown and not far from de place where all de wagons crossed over to go into Texas. Actually, the Assistant Principal Chief was Joseph "Tenulte" Vann, son of Avery Vann and probably a cousin of "Rich Joe" Vann. Pretty soon everybody commenced a singing and a prayin'. We take a big pot to fry fish in and we'd all eat till we nearly bust. Yes Lord yes. The participants in this near slave revolt received physical punishments, but none were killed. All my children was from the first marriage: Thomas, Dora, Charley, Marie, Opal, William, Arthur, Margaret, Thadral and Hubbard. She had some land close to Catoosa and some down on Greenleaf Creek. My father he say, "Now chillun, don't get smart; you just be still and listen, rich folks tryin tell us something" They come and call you, say so much money buried, tell you where it is, say it's yours, you come and get it. Free shipping on orders over $100 with free returns my strange addiction samantha tanning now. We had fine satin dresses, great big combs for our hair, great big gold locket, double earrings we never wore cotton except when we worked. Joseph, 11 years old, was in the room when his father, James, was murdered, in Buffingtons Tavern in 1809 near the site of the family-owned ferry. Margaret Fields, Minerva Biggs* and Elizabeth Griffin. We lived there a long time, and I was old enough to remember setting in the yard watching the river (Grand River) go by, and the Indians go by. Somehow or other they all took a liking to me, all through the family. At night dem trundles was jest all over the floor, and in de morning we shoved em back under de big beds to git dem outn' de way. My pappy run away one time, four or five years before I was born, mammy tell me, and at that time a whole lot of Cherokee slaves run off at once. 3. Florence Smith was my first wife and Ida Vann the second. This CHEROKEE index was pre-built so it loads quickly. She done his washing and knew the cuff of his sleeve. Smoeone call our names and everybody get a present. Helizikinopo was born in 1715, in Pennsylvania, Somerset, Pennsylvania, United States. They'd bring whole wagon loads of hams, chickens and cake and pie. Its massive walls and hand-carved woodwork show excellent workmanship, and its unique hanging staircase is a marvel that piques the interest of many visitors. I dunno her other name. His pappy was old Captain "Rich Joe" Vann, and he had been dead ever since long before de War. Then he hide in the bushes along the creek and got away. The only song I remember from the soldiers was" "Hang Jeff Davis to a Sour Apple Tree," and I remember that because they said he used to be at Fort Gibson one time. Every morning the slaves would run to the commissary and get what they wanted for that day. If someone they didn't want to have it try to dig it up, money sink down, down deep in the ground where they couldn't get it. Mammy died in Texas, and when we left Rusk County after the Civil War, pappy took us children to the graveyard. Charles Thompson Susie Taylor. When Marster Jim and Missus Jennie went away, the slaves would have a big dance in the arbor. Cynthia Ann Vann 1812-1885. There'd be a whole wagon-load of things come and be put on the tree. Then we all have big dinner, white folks in the big house, colored folks in their cabins. He sold one of my brothers and one sister because they kept running off. Joseph Vann family tree Family tree Explore more family trees Parents Chief James Clement Vann 1765 - 1809 Margaret Peggy Scott 1783 - 1845 Wrong Joseph Vann ? Thompson, mixed blood Cherokee Indian, but before that pappy had been owned by three different master; one was the Rich Joe Vann who lived down at Webber Falls and another was Chief Lowery of the Cherokees. There was five hundred slaves on that plantation and nobdy ever lacked for nothing. Someone call our names and everybody get a present. Old Master Joe was a big man in the Cherokees, I hear, and was good to his negroes before I was born. He'd take us and enjoy us, you know. Master Thompson brought us from Texas when I was too little to remember about it, and I din't know how long it was before we was all sold to John Harnage, "Marse John" was his pet name and he liked to be called that-a-way. The young, single girls lived with the old folks in another big long house. Dey was both raised round Webber's Falls somewhere. We had to get up early and comb our hair first thing. I'm gonna give Lucy this black mare. Sometimes we got to ride on one, cause we belonged to Old Jim Vann. Couldn't nobody go there, less they turn the key. Of course I hear about Abraham Lincoln and he was a great man, but I was told mostly by my children when dey come home from school about him. I'se born across the river in the plantation of old Jim Vann in Webbers Falls. Run it to the bank! but it sunk and him and old Master died. They'd clap their hands and holler. We had meat, bread, rice, potatoes and plenty of fish and chicken. He was a traveler, didn't stay home much. Then one day one of my uncles name Wash Sheppard come and tried to git me to go live wid him. Isaac had been Young Joe's driver and he told me all about how rich Master Joe was and how he would look after us negroes. Morris Sheppard was owned by a Cherokee named Joe Sheppard. There'd be races and people would have things what they was sellin' like moccasins and beads. "We'd say "Come on buffalo", and it would come to us. And we had corn bread and cakes baked every day. In 1837 ptior to the main Cherokee Removal, he transported a few hundred Cherokee men, women, children, slaves and horses aboard a flotilla of flat boats to Webber's Falls on the Arkansas River in Indian Territory. They rendezvoused with other slaves who had agreed to participate in the revolt, stole horses to ride to their freedom, then broke into a store to steal guns, ammunition, food, and supplies they needed for their planned escape to Mexicowhere slavery was illegal. Excepting master and mistress, couldn't nobody put things in there but her. Marster never whipped no one. Dey tole me some of dem was bad on negroes but I never did see none of dem night riding like some say dey did. However, the following narrative by the ex-slave, Cornelius Neely Nave, contains correct family relationships. Historical records and family trees related to Joseph Vann. He would tell em plain before hand, "Now no trouble." My mammy was a Cherokee slave, and talked it good. Little hog, big hog, didn't make no difference. My pappy was a kind of a boss of the negroes that run the boat, and they all belong to Old Maser Joe. They brought it home and my granmother knew it was Joe's. He wouldn' take us way off, but just for a ride. Please join us. Perhaps because they had observed the prosperity so often achieved by slave-holding whites, Indians of mixed-blood were more apt to own slaves. After the war I married Paul Alexander, but I never took his name. Click here for live data and advanced tools for collaboration, genetic genealogy, surname projects, etc. Yes, Lord Yes. He never come until the next day, so dey had to sleep in dat pen in a pile like hogs. There wasn't nothing left. Everybody went---white folks, colored folks. After being evicted from his father's mansion home "Diamond Hill" in 1834, Joseph moved his large family (he had two wives) and business operations to Tennessee, where he established a large plantation on the Tennessee River near the mouth of Ooltewah Creek that became the center of a settlement called Vann's Town (later the site of Harrison, Tennessee). Chief Joseph David VANNfamily tree Parents John Joseph 'Indian Trader' Cherokee Vann 1735- 1815 Waw Li Otterlifter 1750- 1835 Wrong Chief Joseph David VANN? It was Dont Call the Roll, Jesus, Because Im Coming Home. The only song I remember from the soldiers was: Hang Jeff Davis to a Sour Apple Tree, and I remember that because they said he used to be at Fort Gibson one time. Our clothes was home-made---cotton in the summer, mostly just a long-tailed shirt and no shoes, and wood goods in the winter. The slaves had a pretty easy time I think. My uncle used to baptize 'em. It had no windows, but it had a wood floor that was kept clean with plenty of brushings, and a fireplace where mammy'd cook the turnip greens and peas and corn--I still likes the cornbread with fingerprints baked on it like in the old days when it was cooked on a skillet over the hot wood ashes. Pappa named Charley Nave; mamma's name was Mary Vann before she marry and her papa was Talaka Vann, one of Joe Vann's slave down around Webber's Falls. Mammy went to a mean old man named Pepper Goodman and he took her off down de river, and pretty soon Mistress tell me she died cause she can't stand de rough treatment. They make pens out in the shallow water with poles every little ways from the river banks. The most terrible thing that ever happen was when the Lucy Walker busted and Joe got blew up. Chief James Ti-ka-lo-hi Vann, Cr. My pappy run away one time, four or five years before I was born, mammy tell me, and at that time a whole lot of Cherokee slaves run off at once. I been a good Christian ever since I was baptized, but I keep a little charm here on my neck anyways to keep me from having the nose bleed. Chief Cheakoneska Otterlifter John Trader Vann married Sister Raven Ani Gatagewi Dougherty and had 1 child. He went clean to Louisville, Kentucky, and back. 5, Special Issue: American Culture and the American Frontier (Winter, 1981), pp. Mary Ann Vann ca 1815-ca 1859. They spun the cottons and wool, weaved it and made cloth. Chief James Clement Vann family tree Parents John Joseph 'Indian Trader' Cherokee Vann 1735 - 1815 Wahli Wa-wli Aka Polly Otterlifter Mary Christiana Otterlifter Wolf Clan 1751 - 1815 Spouse (s) He passed awayon 21 Feb 1809in Northern Georgia, Buffington's Tavern, Spring Place. The women dressed in whtie, if they had a white dress to wear. But we couldn't learn to read or have a book, and the Cherokee folks was afraid to tell us about the letters because they have a law you go to jail and a big fine if you show a slave about the letters. She dye with copperas and walnut and wild indigo and things like dat and made pretty cloth. By January 31, 2023 how many ultimate warrior's were there. 1710, d. 1752. A brother was owned by another Vann Family in Tahlequah. Well, I go ahead, and make me a crop of corn all by myself and then I don't know what to do wid it. All the Vann marsters was good looking. When we wanted to go anywhere we always got a horse, we never walked. Uncle Joe tell us all to lay low and work hard and nobody'd bother us and he would look after us. Joseph Vann, the son of Chief James Vann and his wife Margaret Scott Vann, was a lad of 12 when his father was killed, in 1809. Wife belong to de church and all de children too, and I think all should look after saving their souls so as to drive de nail in, and den go about de earth spreading kindness and hoeing de row clean so as to clinch dat nail and make dem safe for Glory. Old Master Joe was a big man in the Cherokees, I hear, and was good to his Negroes before I was born. 1 1 1 2 2 3 1 4. She bossed all the other colored women and see that they sew it right. Soon as you come out of the water you go over there and change clothes. Bornin Cherokee Nationon 27 Aug 1767to Joseph Vannand War-Li(MaryPolly) Cherokee-Clan-Blind-Savannah. We had to have a pass to go any place to have signing or praying, and den they was always a bunch of patrollers around to watch everything we done. After the Removal, Joseph Vann was chosen the first Assistant Chief of the united Cherokee Nation under the new 1839 Constitution that was created in Indian Territory (Oklahoma), serving with Principal Chief John Ross. I got my allotment as a Cherokee Freedman, and so did Cal, but we lived here at this place because we was too old to work the land ourselves. Chief married Helizikinopo Ounaconoa cornstalk (born Moytoy). Us slaves lived in log cabins dat only had one room and no windows so we kept de doors open most of de time. We all come back to de old place and find de negro cabins and barns burned down and de fences all gone and de field in crab grass and cockleburs. The place was all woods, and the Cherokees and the soldiers all come down to see the baptizing. Dere come six children; Charley, Alec, Laura, Harry Richard and Jeffy, who waS named after Jefferson Davis. I got my allotment as a Cherokee Freedman, and so did Cal, but we lived here at this place because we was too old to work the land ourselves. His grandfather was Clement Vann, a Scottish trader who moved from Charleston, South Carolina, to the Cherokee lands in northwest Georgia and married Wa-wli, a Cherokee Indian. We camp at dat place a while and old Mistress stay in de town wid some kinfolks. He said that those troops burned the Vann home during their pillage. Nails cost big money and Old Master's blacksmith wouldn't make none 'ceptin a few for old Master now an den so we used wooden dowels to put things together. They wasnt very big either, but one day two Cherokees rode up and talked a long time, then young Master came to the cabin and said they were sold because mammy couldnt make them mind him. The grandson reported that the Vann Family lived in that house until "the War," when some 3,000 federal troops descended upon Webbers Falls. Mammy had the wagon and two oxen and we worked a good size patch there until she died, and then I git married to Cal Robertson to have somebody to take care of me. Used to go up and down the river in his steamboat. Someone rattled the bones. De clothes wasn't no worry neither. My names' Lucinda Vann, I've been married twice but that don't make no difference. On October 23, 1844, the steamboat Lucy Walker departed Louisville, Kentucky, bound for New Orleans. Joe had two wives, one was named Missus Jennie. At least twenty-five of Vann's slaves participated in the Cherokee slave revolt of 1842. They could have anything they wanted. Then I had clean warm clothes and I had to keep them clean too! Don't know what they ever did with that arm. Although he was born after slavery had ended, Nave's remembrances of what his father had told him about slavery days include some interesting details. The preacher took his candidate into the water. I had on my old clothes for the wedding, and I ain't had any good clothes since I was a little slave girl. Many Creeks joined the Cherokee searchers. Joseph also inherited his father's gold and deposited over $200,000 in gold in a bank in Tennessee. Coming out of the army for the last time, Pappa took all the family and moved to Fort Scott, Kansas, but I guess he feel more at home wid the Indians for pretty soon we all move back, this time to a farm near Fort Gibson. I go to this house, you come to my house. The people were considered one of the Five Civilized Tribes of the American Southeast, because they had adopted some European-American ways, often from traders who intermarried with the Cherokee. Don't know much about him. Them Pins was after Master all de time for a while at de first of de War, and he was afraid to ride into Ft. Smith much. My mother, grandmother, aunt Maria and cousin Clara, all worked in the big house. The spring time give us plenty of green corn and beans too. The slaves of the Creeks also joined those of the Cherokees and the band set out for Mexico. Everybody pretty near to crazy when they bring that arm home. That meant she want a biscuit with a little butter on it. Every dollar she make on the track, I give it to Lucy." They never sent us anywhere with a cotton dress. We never put on de shoes until about late November when de front begin to hit regular and split our feet up, and den when it git good and cold and de crop all gathered in anyways, they is nothing to do 'cepting hog killing and a lot of wood chopping and you don't get cold doing dem two things. After supper the colored folks would get together and talk, and sing, and dance. When meal time come, someone ring that bell and all the slaves know its time to eat and stop their work. Betty Robertson's father worked aboard Joseph Vann's steamboat, Lucy Walker. Yes, my dear Lord yes. Lucinda Vann tells an unusual story of plantation life from the perspective of a house slave who was born with privileges. Mistress say old Master and my pappy on the boat somewhere close to Louisville and the boiler bust and tear the boat up. *Andrew Bell Cunningham, Chief for 17 days: Nov. 8-25, 1919; Edward M. Fry, Chief for 1 day: June 23, 1923; *Richard B. Choate, Chief for 1 day, 1925; *Charles J. Now I'se just old forgotten woman. chief joseph vann family tree. Lord have mercy on us, yes. Everything was stripedy cause Mammy like to make it fancy. Everybody had plenty to eat and plenty to throw away. 14, At least twenty-five of Vann's slaves participated in the Cherokee slave revolt of 1842. My mother died when I'se small and my father married Delia Vann. In winter white folks danced in the parlor of the big house; in summer they danced on a platform under a great big brush arbor. He would sing for us, and I'd like to hear them old songs again! . I dont know, but that was before my time. That was sort of vault, where the family valuables was kept. She inherit about half a dozen slaves, and say dey was her own and old master can't sell one unless she give him leave to do it. Old Master Joe had a big steam boat he called the Lucy Walker, and he run it up and down the Arkansas and the Mississippi and the Ohio river, old Mistress say. After the old time rich folks die, them that had their money buried, they com back and haunt the places where it is. We was too tired when we come in to play any games. 33, No. Old Master tell me I was borned in November 1852, at de old home place about five miles east of Webbers Falls, mebbe kind of northeast, not far from de east bank of de Illinois River. Young, Mary., "The Cherokee Nation: Mirror of the Republic", (American Quarterly), Vol. Sometime Young Master Joe and the other boys give me a piece of money and say I worked for it, and I reckon I did for I have to cook five or six times a day. There was big parties and dances. He wanted people to know he was able to dress his slaves in fine clothes. Sometimes she pull my hair. Hams cakes, pies, dresses, beads, everything. In ever did see no money neither, until time of de War or a little before. Two pounds of hog meat sold for a nickel. After a bloody fracas in 1834, Colonel W. N. Bishop established his brother, Absolom Bishop, on the premises and Joseph Vann with his family was driven out to seek shelter over the state line in Tennessee. I remember when the steamboats went up and down the river. The following slave narratives all mention the Vanns. Joseph died about 1780. My mammy was a Crossland Negro before she come to belong to Master Joe and marry my pappy, and I think she come wid old Mistress and belong to her. You know just what day you have to be back too. He was a slave on the Chism plantation, but came to Vann's all the time on account of the horses. Son of Di-Ga-Lo-Hi 'James' "Crazy Chief Vann and Go-sa-du-i-sga Nancy Timberlake Everybody, white folks and colored folks, having good itme. They had run out of food and were starving, too weak and disillusioned to offer effective resistance. In one month you have to get back. Yes I was! I don't remember much about my pappy's mother; but I remember she would milk for a man named Columbus Balreade and she went to prayer meeting every Wednesday night. Sometimes I eat my bread this morning none this evening. Chief James Clement Vann Bio. Everybody had fine clothes everybody had plenty to eat. Please enable JavaScript in your browser's settings to use this part of Geni. 5. Clement Vann possibly Joseph's younger half-brother arrived in the Cherokee Nation about 1780. 502-524. They'd sell 'em to folks at picnics and barbecues. The grandson reported that the Vann Family lived in that house until "the War," when some 3,000 federal troops descended upon Webbers Falls. Jacob Vann found in U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 Jacob Vann found in Tennessee, Marriage Records, 1780-2002 Jacob Vann found in U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 Jacob Vann found in 1850 United States Federal Census People with similar attributes to Red Hawk Vann Everybody was happy. I always think of my old Master as de one dat freed me, and anyways Abraham Lincoln and none of his North people didn't look after me and buy my crop right after I was free like old Master did. After the explosion someone found an arm up in a tree on the bank of the river.

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