Annealing ensures a more consistent grain structure in the metal; heat treatment makes the head hard enough to withstand constant golf ball impacts. Mine are a degree flat guess I'm opposite of the norm. See What Members Are Saying! Takomo Golf Clubs Review: (As Good as Expected? Perhaps he likes the look of offset and that's how he chooses to get it done. Display as a link instead, [quote name='Kenny Lee Puckett' timestamp='1441131685' post='12246270'] (Who Makes Them? It would definitely not work for me but might be ok for you. Any adjustment to loft will alter the bounce angle on the sole. So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. I choose my lofts based on the yardages I want to hit it and nothing else. Maybe different shafts could reduce dynamic loft and reduce spin some but not a lot. No, they are talking about the lie, not the loft. Pasted as rich text. [quote name='Kenny Lee Puckett' timestamp='1441131685' post='12246270'] WIth KLP on this one: bending stronger for spin reduction/trajectory is IMHO missing the point, fix impact first. I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1444240339' post='12423306'] Does the aggressive swing impart that much more dynamic loft and create that much more spin? In addition, once a club is bent to a given specification, it will stay there until changed by an outside force of either bending again or striking a hard object. [/color] [color=#282828]This made me wonder about messing with lofts and bounce (not to mention offset). I have a natural draw. [/quote] They should be leading and flat. GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 24, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 17, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 10, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 27, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 20, By Bending Golf Clubs: Should I Do it and How? Best of luck.Chuck. I noticed when looking in the for sale forum, that there are alot of irons bent like this. Display as a link instead, A variety of reasons- less bounce, less spin, a flatter ballflight, matching a previous set they were comfortable with, etc. Some people do it to improve their ball flight, while others do it because they think that their golf clubs have been poorly manufactured. I am now thinking I am just going to bend my 712 Ap2 irons to the 714 AP2 specs so my gaps will match up better with my wedges. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] I am 6 ft tall but have short arms and stand upright so standard clubs are horrible for me. It is just a way to fit the club for your swing, nothing that is going to help your game unless you fall into the same catagory. somewhere between where you currently play it and ludicrous is a new, improved, boring flight. I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. Now of course this does not apply to all golfers by any means. Great answer Blake. (used to hook, now after lessons - ongoing - cannot hook even if i try to.. still hope to get back to a nice draw..) . You're actual numbers are really not that bad, they a bit over the PGA tour average but I'm not sure it's worth adjusting all your clubs over. Maybe it's just me but it seems you can't change the relationship between the loft of the club and the spin, given you're putting the same swing on it. Paste as plain text instead, Learn how to hit clubs different ydgsthe pros are very good at doing this My wingspan finger tip to finger tip is 78". [/quote] Tipped shafts. [quote name='Dan Drake' timestamp='1441041993' post='12239944'] [quote name='Kenny Lee Puckett' timestamp='144131685' post='12246270'] Copyright 2023 Mitchell Golf Equipment Company. Titleist 712U 4i, C-Taper 120x Its all about ball flight and gaps. Still have questions? [img]http://pxc86358mpx1hyn3hdxen4o1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/171831.png[/img]. Using the straight line marked ball on face, hitting off REAL grass will produce best results for lie angle, https://forums.golfwrx.com/topic/1840618-witb-731-full-bag/. There's a reason good players don't just grab any club off the rack and change their swing to match the clubs. The angle and loft of your golf clubs are extremely important. You can also bend the angles to a consistent specification precisely fit for any golfer. I have a set of S58s where the bounce is already generous, so no issues. Thanks. ps i see a poster right before mine made comments about " good players " and their abilities to manipulate flight and trajectory of the ball just because a player has strong lofted irons does not give one indication of their ability so jump off your high horse .just because you may have a low handicap does not make you elite enough to judge others .. [quote name='rybo' timestamp='1441146850' post='12247568'] Is that ok? In our forums, our members have been discussing modern irons with stronger lofts and whether they are easier or harder to play than older irons. ** Due to coronavirus and the work restrictions in place here in Michigan, for international orders, please email info@mitchellgolf.com for a complete quote. Lastly I thought bending irons stronger, influenced the bounce of the club as well. The general rule of thumb is that 1* ~ 3 yards (which is why consistent 4* gaps is pretty standard). Let me know what you think of the idea and/or if you have other suggestions to control my spin/launch, I'd love to hear them. The mark on the sole will show if your clubhead is level or toe up or down at impact. Let me know what you think of the idea and/or if you have other suggestions to control my spin/launch, I'd love to hear them. So I was fitted for clubs and the pro said that on my new clubs I didn't need any adjustment. We're not robotic enough to predict that exactly 3 or 4 degrees is the correct gap empirically. gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. You probably have hair as well. If you don't like bend them back. [/quote] By 4-iron - 20.5 degrees. [quote name='MountainKing' timestamp='1444316608' post='12427752'] Loft and lie changes are more or less permanent. Anything more than 2 degrees and the effect on offset is noticeable That isn't the best or correct way by any means.it's just a tool. [quote name='OldGolfer87' timestamp='1444324826' post='12428468'] If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Will the clubs dig more or enough to tell a difference? Maltby KE4 14* 3w , Axe Excaliber R flex tipped 1" gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. Mizuno JPX-800 Pro 5-P, X100 [quote name='clemsondds' post='1858228' date='Aug 1 2009, 07:36 PM']Ok thanks ya'll. Anything more than 2 degrees and the effect on offset is noticeable, TM Stealth 15 w/Ventus Red Show Your True Colors With Mitchell Golfs Custom Color Program. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] [/quote]actually a "good" player (one who actually CAN control trajectory) could grab 10 different clubs off a rack and MAKE the ball flight in the air look VERY similar (no, that doesn't mean they are all ideal for the player, and no that doesn't mean they all fit him). [/quote] SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner For Example Sitemap. So, no matter the type of golf irons that you have, you can bend them to adjust their degrees of loft. more upright = more of a draw, more flat= fade. The pros that adjust their lofts are doing so to not only control ball flight but give them consistent distances between clubs. Started Yesterday at 10:25 AM, Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here. Coops I do feel like I need to improve my spin loft, but I know tweaking the clubs might help as well. I'm curious about this as well. This can significantly alter the way that you strike the ball and can save you a fortune as far as upgrading, or changing clubs is concerned. Cobra King LTD 17* w/Blueboard, Scor 50* RTX3 54* MD5 58* Move it more downline untill you achieve the desired trajectory. Weaker lofts mean (all other things being equal) getting the ball up into the air quicker, and a little higher trajectory on your shots. The 2-degree limit is only recommended when changing the lofts on irons due to the potential effect such bends will have on the sole angle of the club. 6 iron SS: 95.5 mph This also means youre much less likely to screw the process up, and your clubs will be bent to perfection! You should absolutely give it a try with a few clubs and see what you think, you can always go back and it might just work. Which is more typical to change? Sign up to receive product offers and news! You should absolutely give it a try with a few clubs and see what you think, you can always go back and it might just work. 6-iron launch: 17* In other words, make your 7 the length and lie of an 8, which should reduce the spin a bit. or Pw 47 125 Looking For Advice or Feedback, Stealth 3 Wood, Unique Odyssey, RTX Raw, Epic Flash, Ping Eye 2 BeCu 1 iron - $1,000here me out, Your Choice of EvnRoll ER11v Mallets ($210). 7 iron 34 165 How accurate are the loft and lie readings of clubs straight from the manufacturer? Setting aside the discussion about why lofts are getting stronger, I was wondering why someone would bend the lofts strong rather than use the next club in the bag and swing smooth. Swing: [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRK_GXV7rDg"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRK_GXV7rDg[/url] (Driver FV) So he decide just to make them all 3 degrees stronger instead of shortening them. If they are not bent properly you can change the lie fairly easily unintentionally. Basically almost all irons we offer on ExactGolf like all Miuras, Honmas TR20, Vegas and some Mizunos. Or Ping Glide Stealth, 54,58 SS. Another thing to note is that a manufacturers new set of clubs doesnt mean their lofts are completely accurate. Coops, Thanks but I'm more curious about launch angle. 9 iron 42 145 Cleveland RTX4 Raw, Low Bounce 55*, Tour Issue DG S400. So I play my irons 2 deg flat. It has to do with posture and arm length and swing arc. Callaway XR Pro 9* Matrix Red Tie 65x GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 24, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 17, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 10, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 27, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 20, By ps my irons are bent (or when i got my Pings, ordered) 2 degrees up ;-) ) - this was to get the sole flat at impact honest. get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). Golf clubs that are 17-4 stainless steel cast irons will be more difficult to bend, as they are made of much harder metal than the likes of carbon steel and graphite. Posted August 1, 2009. How do they test to determine which launch angle best suits you. Below, we explain everything you need to know about bending golf clubs and suggest when its a good idea. FAQs Looking For Advice or Feedback, Stealth 3 Wood, Unique Odyssey, RTX Raw, Epic Flash, Ping Eye 2 BeCu 1 iron - $1,000here me out, Your Choice of EvnRoll ER11v Mallets ($210), Titleist Scotty Cameron Futura X7M Putter and Stitch Polo XXL NWT, NEW Taylormade Stealth 2 Plus 9 deg. Taylormade Aeroburner TP 15* GD AD-BB 7x. [/quote] Started Yesterday at 10:25 AM, Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here. So, unless you plan on bending a significant number of golf clubs (and you plan on doing it more than once), it makes much more sense to pay a club-fitter to bend your golf clubs on your behalf. Believe it or not, my spin loft used to be worse, but I'm kind of in a rut right now. March 27, 2015 at 11:41 AM When i play alone i use the 3-4 and 5 irons more to see how i hit them but otherwise i use 18 - 21 and 24 degree hybrids as they are just a no brainer on how they are a better choice for someone who has a slower swing speed .. however i wiish i could still hit irons instead every round .. You can post now and register later. Check out our video: how-to bend your clubs on a Mitchell Golf Angle Machine: Get Bending! By Greyson P. I just purchase a great used 712 AP2 set. Or, (tinfoil hat on) TMAG wants him to be the poster boy for how long their new irons are and this way they get to hear McCord gush about how Day hit a 168 yard 9 iron. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1444240339' post='12423306'] Have wondered why he always had a little fade with his Mizuno mp32 and mp67 irons but much less so with Callaway X16 irons. 5-G Bending golf clubs also make your irons either slightly shorter or longer. "Just change your swing" isn't always the answer. Currently I'm playing 712 MB's with x100 shafts at standard loft. It is very easy to do these modifications, and also recommended by a lot of folks to have your set checked either frequently or at the end of each year in case any changes happened during the season from general play. Forged irons should be checked every year or 2 anyway for loft/lie. thanks[/quote] Thanks, [quote name='clemsondds' post='1859449' date='Aug 2 2009, 02:39 PM']Thanks but I'm more curious about launch angle. IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. He had me hit on a board and said that I needed 1/2 inch long. With all due respect, I am not saying you do not, but club fitters do this all the time and if they mess it up then they can replace the club. 2. I have some of my irons bent 2* strong. Have you experimented with different shafts? Equipment counts courtesy of Darrell Survey. Personally have occasionally weakened wedges and rarely, irons in order to help dial in or normalize distance gapping, never more than 2 degrees." So stronger lofts = less bounce = more offset. They know how much torque to put on the hozzel. Mickesgolf [/quote] Anyone know if most pros have this done? Do you just go by the distance you hit them, and if you don't like your gaps you bend them a little? Now tilt the club grip end down a bit so that the club's toe comes up off the ground a fair bit and you'll see the pencil now points subtantially more leftward than before. He wanted to see the club face wide open. I read your comments on why some bend lofts on iron sets strong and i try to swing smooth because to me swinging hard offers little to no benefit ,please remember im talking about me and not others in general , i have lost speed on my swing over the last 5 years where it was noticable to me , but i truly started losing speed after my rotator cuff and bicep tendon tear on my right arm , i cant say it was a noticable difference but that is when it started in 2010 is when i started bending all my irons strong because of lost distance because i was hitting irons 1/4 to 1/2 a club different and it progressed over the next few seasons to a full 1/2 a club or about 2 degree's and then came a hip replacement in 2014 and when i got back to playing regularly i was bending a 46 degree wedge to 43 degree / 9 iron 39 degree's and so on and i did that to try to get to the same distance i had in 2010 where i hit GW 110 / PW 120 /9 iron 130 and it progressed from there ..

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